(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[2008 NAIM (Ing Cup) Round 3-US Go Congress-Eric Lui [8d\] vs Feng Yun [9p\]]PW[Eric Lui]PB[Feng Yun]WR[8d]BR[9p]DT[2008-08-06]EV[North American Ing Masters Tournament]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Brian Leahy]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
USGO1 [-\]: This is board 1
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]C[slinky [-\]: yay!
eclair531 [8k?\]: Where can we find board 15?
slinky [-\]: games tab
eclair531 [8k?\]: Oh, never mind.
eclair531 [8k?\]: Thanks.
]
;B[qp]
;W[dq]C[Crumb [7k\]: Did fang or Eric have to play 2 games today because of the evacuation?
]
;B[co]C[gipson [6k\]: what evacuation?
ketchup [6k\]: crumb they finished their games
ketchup [6k\]: so of course not
USGO1 [-\]: I don't know about Eric; Feng Yun finished her game last night, shortly before the evac
]
;W[ck]C[ketchup [6k\]: eric did also, he won by resignation
USGO1 [-\]: ty, ketchup
Steven1234 [5k\]: Where r they playing?
ketchup [6k\]: useless knowledge = win :)
Crumb [7k\]: Oh ok, I was wondering because there might be some sort of advantage due to exaustion
Xanwu [1d\]: can someone give the link to the results of this tournament please?
gfromdc [9k\]: http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/32
Xanwu [1d\]: standings
Xanwu [1d\]: thx
slinky [-\]: go eric!
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
USGO1 [-\]: This is board 1
Crumb [7k\]: This is rong three corerct?
gfromdc [9k\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: Yes.  I will update the title... thanks.
EeqMCsq [3k\]: i bet e4 
ketchup [6k\]: tenuki is best option!
ketchup [6k\]: that way we can have taisha
ketchup [6k\]: err wait it's black's turn... nevermind..
EeqMCsq [3k\]: lol
ieatdans [4k\]: 8d vs 9p?
ieatdans [4k\]: what is this?
]
;B[fp]C[Suicide [7k\]: naim
Panda123 [5k\]: 9p!!!!!
Danae [-\]: here's your taisha :)
ketchup [6k\]: oh taisha!
Suicide [7k\]: lol
ketchup [6k\]: feng yun ftw!
]
;W[ep]
;B[eo]
;W[fq]C[Suicide [7k\]: one of the infinite variations at least...
]
;B[gp]
;W[gq]
;B[hp]
;W[hq]
;B[ip]C[Danae [-\]: taisha turned down
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;W[jq]C[ketchup [6k\]: lol
Suicide [7k\]: lol
ketchup [6k\]: i always thought eric was more confrontational..
gfromdc [9k\]: what is taisha?
SunnyD [3d\]: what is the top prize?
]
;B[ci]C[ketchup [6k\]: gfromdc, check senseis
Crumb [7k\]: Hm... perhaps avoiding fighting early on is smart against a 9p
Panda123 [5k\]: wow feng is black so?
Danae [-\]: it's a joseki
Crumb [7k\]: Oh?
USGO1 [-\]: Feng Yun won nigiri
Panda123 [5k\]: ah ic 
ketchup [6k\]: true.. crumb, this is tournament play after all
]
;W[ek]
;B[cf]C[Crumb [7k\]: When I went to tournaments, I often entered saying "I am going to fight alot this next one, or my oponant is strong, I will focus on shape"
ketchup [6k\]: well i doubt there was money on the line :P
poire [4d?\]: is this the game that's being analyzed live by Korea's Kim 8p?
Crumb [7k\]: There where books on the line!
ketchup [6k\]: yes, usgo15 
MXHero [-\]: imho, if you are fighting without focusing on shape, you are shooting yourself in the foot
EeqMCsq [3k\]:  e11 ?
syllable [1d\]: so does b get bottom left corner?
ketchup [6k\]: noknott, or any of the admins, do you know if the analysis are going to be put up on kgs plus for free?
ketchup [6k\]: like kgs sometimes does
Crumb [7k\]: Live anaylsis on USGO15
poire [4d?\]: thanks!
]
;W[ce]
;B[df]
;W[fd]
;B[ei]
;W[gk]
;B[ik]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
USGO1 [-\]: This is board 1
USGO1 [-\]: You can view a live analysis by Myung Wan Kim, 8dan pro on OSGO15 board.
USGO1 [-\]: Sorry, USGO15
Intake [2d\]: what board is gus price playing on usgo1? i dont see him in any of the broadcasted ones
]
;W[fi]
;B[fh]
;W[gi]
;B[ej]C[USGO1 [-\]: board 13
Intake [2d\]: thx
USGO1 [-\]: welcome
hellsking [21k\]: hi
]
;W[fj]C[hellsking [21k\]: .;
hellsking [21k\]: sorry 
USGO1 [-\]: Board 13 is not being broadcast.
tu34y4be4 [2d?\]: b is 9p wow
Intake [2d\]: poor gus, being left out
EeqMCsq [3k\]:  yea  but what is 9p
coo31k [-\]: 9 pro
EeqMCsq [3k\]: really?
coo31k [-\]: or u could just say pro
EeqMCsq [3k\]: i thought 9 people  
Ihvsecret: lol
tu34y4be4 [2d?\]: lol
coo31k [-\]: anything with p is pro
]
;B[cc]C[EeqMCsq [3k\]: isnt eight d 8 dummies?
USGO1 [-\]: Eric has stepped out
ketchup [5k\]: mike.. stop trolling..
EeqMCsq [3k\]:  ok
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
EeqMCsq [3k\]: B15 now?
bombsy [9k\]: what does it mean           [9p\]?
bombsy [9k\]: p?
EeqMCsq [3k\]: 9 people.... oh i mean pro
FinalAeon [8k\]: pro
francium87 [2k\]: professional
USGO1 [-\]: This is board 1.  See USGO15 for a pro commentary on this game.
USGO1 [-\]: Eric is back
EeqMCsq [3k\]: b15  now
Danae [-\]: pardon, the title says Feng Yun is black
EeqMCsq [3k\]: he is
Hagalaz [4k\]: *she
EeqMCsq [3k\]: back not lback
Danae [-\]: she
USGO1 [-\]: White has 73 minutes remaining, black has 78.
EeqMCsq [3k\]: so brain...how is the congress?
ieatdans [4k\]: i've always hate that move
]
;W[cd]C[francium87 [2k\]: how long has this been going on?
Crumb [7k\]: About 16 minutes
Crumb [7k\]: This is the third day of tournament
Hitsu [4k?\]: is takemiya the commentator?
Crumb [7k\]: On board 15
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;B[gh]C[ketchup [6k\]: USGO1 [-\]: You can view a live analysis by Myung Wan Kim, 8dan pro on OSGO15 board.
USGO1 [-\]: The commentator on 15 is Myung Wan Kim, 8dan pro
ketchup [6k\]: copy and paste faster!
ketchup [6k\]: :)
USGO1 [-\]: :)
ieatdans [4k\]: mustard
ketchup [6k\]: is gone
EeqMCsq [3k\]:  w messed up
USGO1 [-\]: unfortunately you copied my typo as well; should be USGO15
ketchup [6k\]: that account no longer exists if i remember correctly
ketchup [6k\]: yea i just noticed that
Ihvsecret: If 9p is playing this game than who will comment him?
ketchup [6k\]: that's what i get for the copy :)
Korea4K [2d\]: K4
ieatdans [4k\]: these guys are too bad
ketchup [6k\]: ieatdans, are you hakky?
Ihvsecret: Is someone reviewing this game?
MssrBlanc [4k\]: usgo15
francium87 [2k\]: white has an 8 point komi? isnt that excessive considering he is a pro?
MssrBlanc [4k\]: white is amateur
francium87 [2k\]: oh
MssrBlanc [4k\]: but anyway, it's aga rules
MssrBlanc [4k\]: errr
MssrBlanc [4k\]: ing rules
LiuKang [4d\]: ing sucks
francium87 [2k\]: says new zealand or something like that
]
;W[ii]
;B[hh]
;W[ij]
;B[kk]C[MssrBlanc [4k\]: don't think kgs does ing, and maybe not aga either
EeqMCsq [3k\]:  black prolly isnt a strong 9p
EeqMCsq [3k\]:  8p can prolly comment well
NoKnott [-\]: KGS offers AGA counting, but uses NZ for Ing
]
;W[ki]C[Korea4K [2d\]: my opion euro go more stronger
francium87 [2k\]: they are only 1/3 stone different by definition right?
zweibieren [2d?\]: Ing, AGA, NZ, and Chinese are all equivalent
EeqMCsq [3k\]:  no
EeqMCsq [3k\]: feng yun dosent compete pro tourneys
EeqMCsq [3k\]: any more
mjymfygu: nz allow suicide i thought
ketchup [6k\]: Eeqmcsq.. you really believe your statements?
EeqMCsq [3k\]: so coudl be a lot weaker
ketchup [6k\]: have you seen the past few feng yun games?
EeqMCsq [3k\]: im only repeating what violence is telling me
ketchup [6k\]: dominating..
EeqMCsq [3k\]: lol
ketchup [6k\]: lol
EeqMCsq [3k\]: maybe a bit more violent
EeqMCsq [3k\]: i add weaker and stuff
EeqMCsq [3k\]: :S
aussiemate [7k\]: volence is catching
Joven [?\]: EeqMCsq...please don't be disrespectful.
MssrBlanc [4k\]: we'll get info when myungwan gets a rating
francium87 [2k\]: yeah.. joven is right. this is their livelyhood you know
MssrBlanc [4k\]: at one point, feng yun had a 10.4 aga rating,so she is *very* strong
Ihvsecret: I think that instead of reviewing different possible scenarios itshould be over why they chose that shape what its purpose was for that matter
ketchup [6k\]: ihvsecret.. wrong room?
Ihvsecret: nope
ketchup [6k\]: oh..
francium87 [2k\]: live commenting does not cover that without sound. if you ever watch baduk TV you would see how quick they try to cover so much info
topfar [1d\]: Why so slow?
Hitsu [4k?\]: why is the ruleset a New Zealand?
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
ketchup [6k\]: kgs does not have ing as a rule set..
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;B[mj]C[USGO1 [-\]: This is board 1.  See USGO15 for live commentary by Myung Wan Kim, 8dan pro
ketchup [6k\]: hmm is j6 a likely move?
MXHero [-\]: i would never think to play n10
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;W[qi]
;B[qk]
;W[qf]
;B[jg]C[Ihvsecret: Black has no wry there cut wouldgive white two weak groups
USGO1 [-\]: white has 64 minutes remaining, black has 68.
Capsule [3d\]: hmm...has feng yun ever lost to an AGA amateur in a tournament besides Jie Li?
Ihvsecret: no he hasnt
Capsule [3d\]: i question your claim if you don't even know her gender =)
Ihvsecret: :P
Ihvsecret: well it was 50/509
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
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;W[lh]
;B[ph]C[LEGAN [8k\]: so the players r just americans?
]
;W[of]
;B[nd]C[MssrBlanc [4k\]: yes, though Feng Yun is a Chinese Pro who has lived in America
MssrBlanc [4k\]: for awhile
Capsule [3d\]: both are chinese-americans.
USGO1 [-\]: North America
granny [6k\]: unless they came from China or Korea or Japan or France
USGO1 [-\]: I believe there is at least one player from Canada
Capsule [3d\]: yes
Capsule [3d\]: Yongfei Ge, Yao Chung, Juyong Koh to name a few.
MssrBlanc [4k\]: Jie Liang?
LEGAN [8k\]: anyone of kgs?
Capsule [3d\]: He's from the US I believe.
Capsule [3d\]: sure, Yao Chung = HappyGuy on KGS
]
;W[rd]C[Capsule [3d\]: Juyong Koh is Meatlover
LEGAN [8k\]: nice to heard that
EeqMCsq [3k\]:  andrew huang is donvalley i think
EeqMCsq [3k\]: but hes in redman cup i tihnk
francium87 [2k\]: *kapow* "newsflash... francium just poured water on himself. that joke was the cause of this suicide"
Mohican [3k\]: oh my god is this really a 9p playing?
Mohican [3k\]: long time ago that i saw something like that
EeqMCsq [3k\]: yea
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;B[qh]C[mentat [3k?\]: happyguy reviews on GTL are great.
NoKnott [-\]: Please limit remarks to comments on the game, the players and the tournament. Thanks.
EeqMCsq [3k\]: GTL?
Ihvsecret: this 9pro would run circles aroundyoumoh......
mentat [3k?\]: go teaching ladder
mentat [3k?\]: a website
]
;W[qc]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
Capsule [3d\]: maybe e17 soon
skamus [-\]: 10k$ for first place??
SColbert [2d\]: 10k total
Capsule [3d\]: how much does first place of Ing get? and Open?
]
;B[pc]C[SColbert [2d\]: probably 3k-5k
tu34y4be4 [2d?\]: mohican, you can see 9p games every day on CyberOro
Hylebos [4k\]: KGS > Cyberoro
Mohican [3k\]: didnt know that
Zvi [6k\]: is eric 8p or 8d?
Capsule [3d\]: AGA 8d
Zvi [6k\]: oh, it's written, nvm
Zvi [6k\]: thanks
francium87 [2k\]: a wedge at q14 looks interesting
LEGAN [8k\]: so who was saying about meaningless atack
DeepTuna [2k\]: Yeah, you can see em, but you can't beat the kibitzing know-it-all prowess that KGS has to offer :)
Zvi [6k\]: p3 looks big
LEGAN [8k\]: black jus to good
USGO1 [-\]: First result in: on board 5 Mingjiu Jiang [7p\] won against Zhongxia Zhao [6d\]
Capsule [3d\]: hehe
Mohican [3k\]: q14, q13, q15, r13, p13, p12, o13, q11
Dantek [1d\]: K17 now
francium87 [2k\]: im just saying the white dragon is not out of his cave on move 51
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu lost both his open game and the finish of the round 2 Ing game today.
Ihvsecret: white seems to be melting -_-
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;W[ic]
;B[qd]
;W[rb]C[LEGAN [8k\]: so any favorite for champion?
Capsule [3d\]: Kim Myung-Wan will win the open.
Ihvsecret: Yun
fluffy [3k\]: who won that game yesterday? i went to sleep after the gas alert
francium87 [2k\]: was i rightish or what?
Capsule [3d\]: Ing Masters...maybe Feng Yun.
]
;B[pf]C[Mohican [3k\]: oh lol
francium87 [2k\]: owned
skamus [-\]: I bet on Feng Yun
Hylebos [4k\]: Did they use triple layering of ductape on the pipe where the gas leak originated from so that it never happens again?
Capsule [3d\]: yes.
Hylebos [4k\]: Grood.
Capsule [3d\]: because duct tape solves everything.
Mohican [3k\]: true
Ihvsecret: how does that even happen...all my life.. never 
Ihvsecret: was theresuch an alert
Tur [17k\]: what's the time for the players now?
Ihvsecret: 7:30 A
USGO1 [-\]: Feng Yun is taking a break
DrTenma [2d?\]: what time is it in us?
Capsule [3d\]: it is 8:11 pm
Violence [?\]: 8:11 pm PST
Ihvsecret: 10:11 PM
Hylebos [4k\]: It is 8:11 PST
Ihvsecret: Mountain
Capsule [3d\]: also, Monster is a good series.
Violence [?\]: ihvsecret, it's 10:11 Central
Ihvsecret: yes it is ^_
Capsule [3d\]: ^
DrTenma [2d?\]: they were playing before i go to bed and still playing? :)
Ihvsecret: I leave one eye off capsule 
Swordfish7 [5d\]: white seems to be being pushed around?
Ihvsecret: I am winking at the man
Capsule [3d\]: disturbing.
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;W[pg]C[USGO1 [-\]: White has 48 minutes remaining and black has 63 and counting
Tur [17k\]: thanks
francium87 [2k\]: ^_-
nadavshapi [7d?\]: well feng yun is known to be a very agressive player
USGO1 [-\]: actually PDT
nadavshapi [7d?\]: pdt?
Kamenoitte [-\]: Excuse me, but is Myungwan Kim commenting on this game now?
Ihvsecret: *- *
Hylebos [4k\]: PST... PDT... same thing, just different time skips...
Capsule [3d\]: i don't think so
USGO15 [-\]: Yea, in my game...
justme8800 [?\]: yeah
Ihvsecret: Yep   _ ^
Capsule [3d\]: oh
Capsule [3d\]: i am mistaken
Capsule [3d\]: :)
Kamenoitte [-\]: Oh.  It says that he in the AGA journal that he's commenting this one.
justme8800 [?\]: he is
Capsule [3d\]: eddie kim is probably translating lololol
NoKnott [-\]: USGo15 is showing a live analysis by Kim Myung Wan, 8p
Kamenoitte [-\]: Ok.  Thanks
USGO15 [-\]: Yes, Eddie Kim is translating
Kamenoitte [-\]: Hehe, I see now.
kgs1d [1k\]: Eric Lui = tartarat?
Kamenoitte [-\]: Same game, but with commentary.
mentat [3k?\]: eric is pianist
kgs1d [1k\]: IC
Capsule [3d\]: i am shocked...ned phipps won against edward kim?  
Ihvsecret: Ive seen Tar beat9 p 
Ihvsecret: _-_
kgs1d [1k\]: pianist is very strong....
nadavshapi [7d?\]: well im off to study GO GO GO feng yun!!!
mentat [3k?\]: omg how did you get that 7d nadav?
kgs1d [1k\]: but, 9p is the top rank.....
NoKnott [-\]: Please limit remarks to comments on the game, the players and the tournament.
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;B[re]C[kgs1d [1k\]: S15 is cool...
]
;W[rf]C[francium87 [2k\]: white wants a ko
]
;B[sd]C[DrTenma [2d?\]: did ming jiu lost yesrerday?
Over9k [5k\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: white has 45 minutes left, black has 58
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
]
;W[sc]
;B[rc]
;W[oh]C[sente [-\]: is this the final game?
LEGAN [8k\]: nice ko for w
towers [2k?\]: wha
towers [2k?\]: nice ko for black
towers [2k?\]: white situation is kinda bad
LEGAN [8k\]: really bad
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;B[pi]C[LEGAN [8k\]: but i like this move
]
;W[rd]
;B[fl]C[skamus [-\]: seems good for b to me. B had nothing on that area before.he has ko threats down and at the up-left
francium87 [2k\]: does e18 still live?
skamus [-\]: maybe ko
francium87 [2k\]: not after j17 right?
TanGeng [1d?\]: nah that was white's corner
DrTenma [2d?\]: is w pianist on kgs?
TanGeng [1d?\]: white played 3 stones to black's 2 to start the fight
Capsule [3d\]: yes
francium87 [2k\]: for black e18 and b17 both require answers...
ketchup [6k\]: hmm what board is jang bi today?
secondslee [3k\]: is this e9 against o16 exchange?
TanGeng [1d?\]: this ko is very big though
Capsule [3d\]: jang bi is not in the Ing Masters ketchup
Swordfish7 [5d\]: i think he cant cuz hes canadian
TanGeng [1d?\]: as you can see this threat is worth about 25
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;W[do]C[Capsule [3d\]: no Swordfish...
Capsule [3d\]: 1) jang bi is not canadian, 2) there are 3 canadian players in the Ing Masters.
Richdad [5d\]: lol
Richdad [5d\]: pwned
Swordfish7 [5d\]: hes not from canada?
ketchup [6k\]: hmm..
TanGeng [1d?\]: Ge is from canada
Swordfish7 [5d\]: i was sure gentlerain is from canada ~)~
Capsule [3d\]: no.  he resides in the US.
IIamamiIk [4k\]: he lives in seattle i think
Capsule [3d\]: yes, milk is right.
Hylebos [4k\]: Hooray for seattle!
Hylebos [4k\]: Woot woot!
ketchup [6k\]: i got mixed up, thanks capsule
Rookwood [2k\]: Hooray for milk
Capsule [3d\]: np
TanGeng [1d?\]: umm take the ko
DrTenma [2d?\]: are there updated photos?
ketchup [6k\]: cant take ko..
skamus [-\]: uhm left seems big for w...
ketchup [6k\]: i thought whole point of ko was over e9 group
LEGAN [8k\]: i told u i like this ko
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;B[dn]C[skamus [-\]: if he takes f8 and f10 got no use
USGO1 [-\]: white has 41 minutes left, black has 54
skamus [-\]: there are still good threats at j3 
Zvi [6k\]: white's ceter group doesn't seem too well, or am i mistaking ?
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;W[dp]C[Zvi [6k\]: center*
Hylebos [4k\]: Zvi, it has problems, but not major ones.
Zvi [6k\]: not talking about life :o
ukeewu [11k\]: f8 seems to have damaged the standing of the group.....but not vitally damaged in any way
skamus [-\]: well w doesnt seem *so* bad, as B really doesnt have that much points yet
]
;B[cm]
;W[se]C[Zvi [6k\]: okay :p it just looks as if that center group is just dragging along. oh, missed that connection
Zvi [6k\]: gives it strength ^^
thatsEPIC [-\]: my bets are in the 60 point range.
Zvi [6k\]: now , that's epic
Swordfish7 [5d\]: seems white catched up cuz black didnt c3
Zvi [6k\]: i really love saying that after you say something :D
thatsEPIC [-\]: Arr
thatsEPIC [-\]: :D
thatsEPIC [-\]: B^D
LEGAN [8k\]: white center no problem now
Violence [?\]: uhhh
Zvi [6k\]: yeah center seems strong
Zvi [6k\]: any hidden cut of destiny lying around there ?
Violence [?\]: there's still aji...
skamus [-\]: q16 is in troubles
]
;B[fk]C[Violence [?\]: but Jeeez that's greedy
ukeewu [11k\]: is now the time for someone to start play in the large ope area?
Capsule [3d\]: according to the 8p
miniangel [11k\]: O13 for b?
Capsule [3d\]: Q16 is not in trouble
Violence [?\]: I wanna smack black on the top right...
skamus [-\]: oww
Hylebos [4k\]: Greed is good.
weak888 [1k\]: top black is getting thin
thatsEPIC [-\]: M17 
LEGAN [8k\]: stiil fight f 9
Zvi [6k\]: well violence, call me crazy, but i don't think you've reached the point where you can say a 9p player moves aren't good
francium87 [2k\]: he is good
Zvi [6k\]: who?
thatsEPIC [-\]: me
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;W[lc]C[thatsEPIC [-\]: mr 10k
Capsule [3d\]: the 8p predicted this
Zvi [6k\]: i'm not mr 10k :O
Violence [?\]: I didn't say it wasn't bad
thatsEPIC [-\]: ooh, close
francium87 [2k\]: this does not work.. :(
Violence [?\]: I said it was greed
thatsEPIC [-\]: No, I'm mr 10k
Zvi [6k\]: the opponent is 8d
Violence [?\]: greedy^
Zvi [6k\]: oh, okay :p
francium87 [2k\]: greedy is right
DrTenma [2d?\]: m17 cool too
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;B[qb]C[Zvi [6k\]: anyway violence, how strong are you? you have a tendency to read really high dans moves
EeqMCsq [3k\]: he is like 5 dan
Violence [?\]: Haha, I'm nowhere near high dan
Violence [?\]: I'm like 2-3d kgs
francium87 [2k\]: dont trust him
Zvi [6k\]: lol
Over9k [5k\]: lies
Over9k [5k\]: he's over 9000
Zvi [6k\]: LOL
Violence [?\]: R18 seems strange
aussiemate [7k\]: I'm gunna be sho-dan by Christmas
LEGAN [8k\]: hahaha
Zvi [6k\]: maybe she want's him to play 18, then p18 ? :S
Violence [?\]: I don't think white will respond blindly
Hylebos [4k\]: Hooray for aussie!
LEGAN [8k\]: what happend here
LEGAN [8k\]: ?
ukeewu [11k\]: is w p4 a viable option?
thatsEPIC [-\]: i did
Capsule [3d\]: according to the 8p
Capsule [3d\]: this move sucks
Swordfish7 [5d\]: i think white n16
Swordfish7 [5d\]: n15*
Violence [?\]: I would have to agree
Zvi [6k\]: he is 8d aga, it's like, 12k kgs :D
skamus [-\]: lol
Violence [?\]: n15 is wrecks couch
DrTenma [2d?\]: which 8p?
Capsule [3d\]: kim myung wan
Violence [?\]: N15 just like... reverses the situation
ketchup [6k\]: zvi..... what...?
LEGAN [8k\]: so u wish to be 8 d aga
Zvi [6k\]: kidding ketchup :o
USGO1 [-\]: white has 37 minutes left, black has 51
thatsEPIC [-\]: somewhere around N3
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Violence [?\]: first black could've gotten out and threatened cuts at N12
Violence [?\]: but now white seals black in while helping his weakness
Violence [?\]: it's completely disastrous imo
francium87 [2k\]: a blatent mistake says the other pro. first one of the game for black
krakengo [1d\]: what is a wreck couch ?
Hylebos [4k\]: Kraken, its when you take a couch and you wreck it over someone's head.
Capsule [3d\]: how...frightening
Zvi [6k\]: oh, common fatality tesuji you mean ?
acellist1 [5k\]: how does w punish mistake?
LEGAN [8k\]: he jus look life at m17 if b plays n12
LEGAN [8k\]: i believe
Violence [?\]: N15 just looks so good
aussiemate [7k\]: how much are they being paid for this rubbish?
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;W[me]C[Violence [?\]: Nice, Eric
Zvi [6k\]: owned ? :O
aussiemate [7k\]: I keep falling asleep
Violence [?\]: let's see this turn around
LEGAN [8k\]: hahahahaha
DrTenma [2d?\]: ok 
DrTenma [2d?\]: ko
Zvi [6k\]: why ko ?
Over9k [5k\]: for life
Zvi [6k\]: s17 r15 ?
DANger001 [4k\]: whats the time there
francium87 [2k\]: white needs to puck up the bottom of the board
USGO15 [-\]: s17 r15 n18 m18 p18 
francium87 [2k\]: pick*
DANger001 [4k\]: morning?
thatsEPIC [-\]: I'd say O3
Zvi [6k\]: oh, thanks usgo
USGO15 [-\]: watch in my game... you can see the commentary from the pro
kilroy [2d\]: ehh.. O3 is a little slack, I'd go all the way to M3 if I was black, but live on top first
Zvi [6k\]: sounds good to me :D
weak888 [1k\]: can b survive on top corner?
thatsEPIC [-\]: arr, I was talkin aboot white
DANger001 [4k\]: is it night there?
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;B[mb]C[Capsule [3d\]: yes it is DANger
Hylebos [4k\]: Nightish.
thatsEPIC [-\]: really need to pay attention to who's turn it is
Hylebos [4k\]: Its 8:40, at least.
utah [11k\]: 8:40 pm in portland
DrTenma [2d?\]: why do you play there so lalte ?:)
DrTenma [2d?\]: late
Hylebos [4k\]: 8:40 is late?
Capsule [3d\]: loll
francium87 [2k\]: i <3 portland
DANger001 [4k\]: evening
DrTenma [2d?\]: yes, dinner time and after sipsons
Hylebos [4k\]: Move in the bottom right?
DrTenma [2d?\]: hyleb, fisrt live or kill in upper right? :)
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;W[mc]
;B[nc]C[Hylebos [4k\]: Living is over-rated.
thatsEPIC [-\]: you can sleep when your dead
NoKnott [-\]: Please limit remarks to comments on the game, the players and the tournament. Thanks
thatsEPIC [-\]: sorry noknott
skamus [-\]: B doesnt seem to think the same, she's going for making 2 eyes
Swordfish7 [5d\]: wow he might p18..
Violence [?\]: Whoa..
Swordfish7 [5d\]: that would be really agressive hehe
thatsEPIC [-\]: juicy
DANger001 [4k\]: I think the US gocongress is much less of timeduring then the European gocongress
Violence [?\]: does P18 work?
Capsule [3d\]: yes
LEGAN [8k\]: p 18 will be
Capsule [3d\]: USGC is 1 week
Capsule [3d\]: EGC is 2
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;W[ob]C[Violence [?\]: P18 is like... ko, isn't it?
Swordfish7 [5d\]: ~_~
Hylebos [4k\]: We'll find out Violense.
Swordfish7 [5d\]: white being too agressive
Swordfish7 [5d\]: he had a good break that white forgot c3
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;B[lb]C[Richdad [5d\]: w is behind, thats why he plays like that
weak888 [1k\]: m18?
Suzuhara [5k?\]: Hey, I was just wondering, I had to leave early, did everything turn out alright last night with the evacuation of the building and all?
Capsule [3d\]: yes Suzuhara
Capsule [3d\]: no one died
Suzuhara [5k?\]: okay, thank you
Swordfish7 [5d\]: what happend?
LEGAN [8k\]: ??
]
;W[kb]C[Capsule [3d\]: there was gas smell
Capsule [3d\]: so people evacuated
Swordfish7 [5d\]: so what was it eventually?
cloudy [4d\]: where is web link for results so far?
]
;B[nb]C[DrTenma [2d?\]: my apartment always smell gas :)
Capsule [3d\]: who knows...
Suzuhara [5k?\]: b seems to be doing fairly well
Capsule [3d\]: is your apartment near a gas station?
AngelC [20k?\]: www.usgo.org, cloudy
LEGAN [8k\]: r19
ieatdans [4k\]: so.... who is black?
DANger001 [4k\]: u dont smell the gas but the flavours they put in it
ieatdans [4k\]: Feng Yun?
francium87 [2k\]: pro
aussiemate [7k\]: seems a ko is inevitable
Suzuhara [5k?\]: Would something around N3 or N4 be big?
cloudy [4d\]: thanks angelC
LEGAN [8k\]: u mean the smell yhey put in gas
road2hell [5d\]: some people are just too blind
Capsule [3d\]: i like the smell of gas
Capsule [3d\]: call me weird
Capsule [3d\]: and smoke
weak888 [1k\]: q18 to make call
aussiemate [7k\]: your'r weird
Richdad [5d\]: w counting threats
DrTenma [2d?\]: hmm, smell oil is far better
Richdad [5d\]: w has one at e12, e6
Richdad [5d\]: b has j3, infinite at j17
Richdad [5d\]: easy easy ko for black
Suzuhara [5k?\]: I would hate to be in a situation like b, I really don't like kos
Capsule [3d\]: ok, my bad :).  anyways, this is eric's chance to be the second amateur who wins against feng yun.
Suzuhara [5k?\]: Especially kos for life
aussiemate [7k\]: ko's are fun to watch
DrTenma [2d?\]: b seems to have enough ko to win it
LEGAN [8k\]: hahaha
LEGAN [8k\]: thats right
utah [11k\]: ko is the soul of the game.
Lever [12k\]: what's the move for b to approach j17?
beer [1d\]: pros adore ko
LEGAN [8k\]: much fun to come right know
aussiemate [7k\]: absoluteky
beer [1d\]: 'cause it's the way to eventually win when losing the game
LEGAN [8k\]: ill be waiting like 40 minutes for this part of the game
DrTenma [2d?\]: ko is the heart of this game
aussiemate [7k\]: and vice versa
Richdad [5d\]: j17 not valuable lever, the life of O18 is at stake
Hylebos [4k\]: Pae is korean for ko, right?
DrTenma [2d?\]: yes
LEGAN [8k\]: so that the gambling begin
Swordfish7 [5d\]: maybe white tenuki
ieatdans [4k\]: ko pae ma ni kuraimo
Swordfish7 [5d\]: and come back for the ko later
LEGAN [8k\]: i bet that w wins this ko
Suzuhara [5k?\]: By the way, I would like to publicly apologize for my inappropriate comments last night
DrTenma [2d?\]: actually korean terms should also be in use. not only japanese
Suzuhara [5k?\]: I hope that I didn't offend anyone
beer [1d\]: is there any Korean dictionary of Baduk terms?
DrTenma [2d?\]: yes beer
francium87 [2k\]: house?
setake [10k\]: i cant beleive every single move that has been played so far has been biger than protecting r 4 for b
Hylebos [4k\]: Theres senseis.
Richdad [5d\]: there doesnt seem to be a choice of anything else, but to tenuki
Violence [?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?KoreanGoTerms
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;W[pb]
;B[rc]C[DrTenma [2d?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?BadukTerminology
Hylebos [4k\]: Yay.
DrTenma [2d?\]: oh sorry 
Swordfish7 [5d\]: r15 
Swordfish7 [5d\]: oh that sucks
beer [1d\]: Thank You
Suzuhara [5k?\]: yes, it does seem to me that next to winning the ko in the top left, the area around r4 is really big
Swordfish7 [5d\]: i thought white might have been able to make this a picnic ko
Swordfish7 [5d\]: black r18 really was awful..
utah [11k\]: i want to be 9p so i can make awful moves  ;-)
francium87 [2k\]: to us this is like the return of a great punt to the 5 yard line in a tied game.... 20 seconds left
beer [1d\]: For those who speak Chinese, very good audio lessons: http://www.gotv.com.cn/
LEGAN [8k\]: its a double ko tramp
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;W[pp]C[Over9k [5k\]: thanks
Over9k [5k\]: lol
mof [1d?\]: that reference is totally lost to me
mof [1d?\]: punt and 5-yard line
mof [1d?\]: what is that?
Violence [?\]: beer, are those free?
beer [1d\]: yes
utah [11k\]: american football
Violence [?\]: Wow, nice
ieatdans [4k\]: ma ge naa se minoru ka
francium87 [2k\]: football americano
beer [1d\]: at the end of the line there's a lin to DL .rec files
skamus [-\]: lol francium XD
mof [1d?\]: nothing in this game reminds me of that
mof [1d?\]: not that I know much about it :)
beer [1d\]: which can be opened with Java applet given....
ieatdans [4k\]: american footbal is a gay sport
DANger001 [4k\]: isnt the black group dead
USGO1 [-\]: Eric has left the room
Hylebos [4k\]: It would be very amusing to have beerslayer log in right around now...
USGO1 [-\]: Please keep your comments related to this game.
LEGAN [8k\]: much about it
USGO1 [-\]: thanks,
LEGAN [8k\]: hahahaha
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;B[qq]C[LEGAN [8k\]: u wish
francium87 [2k\]: im saying lots of people sit on the edge of their seet fot that. and here we are 150+ people staring at a ko...
francium87 [2k\]: let alone the congress audiance
TanGeng [1d?\]: the ko is still going on?
DANger001 [4k\]: what ko its dead
Hylebos [4k\]: The ko has become ko threats.
LEGAN [8k\]: sure it is
Tur [17k\]: how many minutes left?
francium87 [2k\]: huh?
LEGAN [8k\]: h 11 nice ko threat
USGO1 [-\]: white has 24 minutes remaining, black has 45
USGO1 [-\]: Eric is back
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;W[qc]
;B[kc]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: h11 tiny
mjymfygu: ok so names are mixed up?
mof [1d?\]: don't think w agreed that it was dead
Swordfish7 [5d\]: these threats give white pts
revival [2d\]: b could maybe ignore this
revival [2d\]: err w
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;W[kd]
;B[rc]C[DrTenma [2d?\]: why ignore?
beer [1d\]: How many points is this ko worth, more than 40?
NoKnott [-\]: mjymfygu, he said eric is back, not black
revival [2d\]: taking the ko is a good amount of points even if it doesnt kill b
francium87 [2k\]: rofl @ that joke... mice one revival... i do see the irony
Hagalaz [4k\]: q3 not as big?
USGO1 [-\]: I'll try to be less confusion: Eric has returned to his seat
USGO1 [-\]: *confusing
aussiemate [7k\]: Eric has itchy feet
DrTenma [2d?\]: usgo, do have have updated pictures??
siegzorro [8k\]: a
siegzorro [8k\]: 阿
TanGeng [1d?\]: hey as long as black lives that's the most points you'll get
DrTenma [2d?\]: e6
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;W[qo]C[index [4d\]: 독도 는 한국 땅
setake [10k\]: w just r19 its over?
TanGeng [1d?\]: no black takes the next ko
DANger001 [4k\]: what if w t16
francium87 [2k\]: no
Capsule [3d\]: no politics index
themyr0n [3k\]: ignore?
TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah ignore
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;B[pq]C[Capsule [3d\]: lol
francium87 [2k\]: so many throw ins lol
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;W[qc]
;B[jc]
;W[jb]
;B[jd]C[USGO1 [-\]: Sorry:)
setake [10k\]: better be
setake [10k\]: just kiddint
USGO1 [-\]: That's why I'm only 3d
setake [10k\]: haha
setake [10k\]: the one and only reason
TanGeng [1d?\]: ahhn look at he black moyo on the lower right
TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah both players are giving each other points
weak888 [1k\]: w is in danger now
LEGAN [8k\]: no
LEGAN [8k\]: b is in danger
fly [1k\]: These Ing Cup players... not as good as the spectators?
henhen2nd [8k\]: 9PRO?!
Iam11k: right
henhen2nd [8k\]: sweet :D
Hagalaz [4k\]: what was originally in the lower right corner?
LEGAN [8k\]: hahaha
Hagalaz [4k\]: 3-3 point?
henhen2nd [8k\]: original :D
krakengo [1d\]: many would still avoid R18 
LEGAN [8k\]: i just ignore that ko if i were w
setake [10k\]: s4
setake [10k\]: r4
Iam11k: guest-level kibitz
beer [1d\]: can't ignore ko
henhen2nd [8k\]: hey is eric a pro or amateur?
LEGAN [8k\]: i eat r 18 now
Capsule [3d\]: amateur
krakengo [1d\]: difficult to understand
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;W[ke]C[beer [1d\]: mean ko threat
henhen2nd [8k\]: really?
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;B[je]C[henhen2nd [8k\]: wow...
Swordfish7 [5d\]: r18 pro brain freeze
Hylebos [4k\]: Eric is Amateur.
henhen2nd [8k\]: amateur v pro.
TanGeng [1d?\]: ohhh
henhen2nd [8k\]: and amateur playing white 2!
TanGeng [1d?\]: look at that
Swordfish7 [5d\]: white might take now
Hylebos [4k\]: Henhen, its an open tournament, no handis.
LEGAN [8k\]: this the moment
TanGeng [1d?\]: black connected
krakengo [1d\]: no
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LEGAN [8k\]: or j 14 instead
zflyhorse [2k\]: h17  need  be  careful  now  !
Hinatachan [9k\]: usgo, do you have any photos of the ongoing match?
beer [1d\]: maybe B goes for the center and will give the corner at one moment
USGO1 [-\]: sign up for the E-journal, info just given
henhen2nd [8k\]: b looks like a fan of moyo -.o
Iam11k: beer: how black can start the center moyo?
setake [10k\]: q5
Panda123 [5k\]: what is their time
henhen2nd [8k\]: prolly about 30 mins each
henhen2nd [8k\]: now.
beer [1d\]: If W taks R18, B can cut-off W's center, but is it enough?
henhen2nd [8k\]: black cud always aim for a huge side at R6
henhen2nd [8k\]: around that.
krakengo [1d\]: b can also live more easily under F16 formation
Iam11k: m4?
TanGeng [1d?\]: the center?
krakengo [1d\]: this was a long-term plan by b
krakengo [1d\]: she is genius !
TanGeng [1d?\]: that's a fair exchange
USGO1 [-\]: white has 13 minutes left, black has 44
Panda123 [5k\]: thank you
Iam11k: M4 is guest-level move for black?
henhen2nd [8k\]: p.p i was fairly close
krakengo [1d\]: what was the word... pintosomething
TanGeng [1d?\]: right now it is
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;W[qa]C[krakengo [1d\]: out of focus move
krakengo [1d\]: and,
henhen2nd [8k\]: oo
henhen2nd [8k\]: PUNISH :D
krakengo [1d\]: you got your phd i got my: 
slinky [-\]: q5?
krakengo [1d\]: lol
slinky [-\]: :D
Iam11k: m4 :-) or h18
henhen2nd [8k\]: hey O18 is dead right?
slinky [-\]: pfffft no reason to play the expected move
tromp [-\]: g17
krakengo [1d\]: you can conceive tenuki here ? a racoon dog ?
Over9k [5k\]: yea
henhen2nd [8k\]: mk thx.
dogbert [3d\]: even if b get hone, w could play P4
Iam11k: b is 9d pro he can play an occupied space
henhen2nd [8k\]: hane u mean lol
gojustingo [9k\]: this is a boy vs a girl?
henhen2nd [8k\]: maybe
henhen2nd [8k\]: feng sounds like a girl
krakengo [1d\]: b is a girl
Hagalaz [4k\]: feng is female
henhen2nd [8k\]: but not really
henhen2nd [8k\]: o thx
peteg [3k\]: man vs woman
Erasmus [?\]: Did Feng Yun win her last game?
gojustingo [9k\]: thx
henhen2nd [8k\]: lol the colours are opposite
krakengo [1d\]: yes
Iam11k: female, you mean woman?
henhen2nd [8k\]: no dur =.=
krakengo [1d\]: ah the macho is already in the list
krakengo [1d\]: good thing
edlee [3k\]: Feng is her family name anyway.
kgs1d [1k\]: b no good?
gojustingo [9k\]: 8 komi???
slinky [-\]: yes 8 komi
threeby3 [?\]: Is Feng Yun black or white?
henhen2nd [8k\]: why 8
krakengo [1d\]: Ing
gojustingo [9k\]: what if tie?
henhen2nd [8k\]: feng is black
threeby3 [?\]: k
krakengo [1d\]: then tie
krakengo [1d\]: lol
gojustingo [9k\]: ?!?!?!??!?!?!
dima [2d\]: b wins ties
henhen2nd [8k\]: :D their is no .5 in this tourn.
USGO15 [-\]: Tie goes to black
gojustingo [9k\]: thx
krakengo [1d\]: wow
slinky [-\]: thats no fair
beer [1d\]: there's 0.5
Over9k [5k\]: komi is technically 7.5
henhen2nd [8k\]: why does it go to the higher player?
slinky [-\]: :( white worked so hard to win!
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;B[md]
;W[ld]C[krakengo [1d\]: insane ruleset
beer [1d\]: since komi is effectively 7.5
]
;B[kf]
;W[le]
;B[gc]C[henhen2nd [8k\]: why does it go to black automattically?
krakengo [1d\]: ak
USGO1 [-\]: last played with much force
krakengo [1d\]: :)
henhen2nd [8k\]: oo
krakengo [1d\]: always attacking
edlee [3k\]: henhen: komi is 8, ties to go B. that's the same as 7.5
gojustingo [9k\]: what city is this in?
beer [1d\]: they just say it is 8 to make it easier
krakengo [1d\]: very pleasing style
henhen2nd [8k\]: really?
slinky [-\]: yes
henhen2nd [8k\]: what if white had 67.5
slinky [-\]: so USGO it was slamed hard
henhen2nd [8k\]: and black had 67
henhen2nd [8k\]: =.=
henhen2nd [8k\]: fricking..
USGO1 [-\]: correct, slinky
Hagios [4k\]: White can't have 67.5 because komi is 8
slinky [-\]: =_= lol
henhen2nd [8k\]: i know!!
gojustingo [9k\]: what city are eric and fung playing in?
henhen2nd [8k\]: but edlee was talking about 7.5
slinky [-\]: Thanks USGO
justme8800 [?\]: portland
dima [2d\]: funny as it is, original ing rules could have fractional score, right?
kgs1d [1k\]: Go can never be even game....
slinky [-\]: ohhhh feng yun is getting angry!
henhen2nd [8k\]: XD
USGO15 [-\]: This event is at the US Go Congress, in Portland, Oregon
TanGeng [1d?\]: oh wow
henhen2nd [8k\]: shes mad lol
gojustingo [9k\]: thx
TanGeng [1d?\]: this changes things
beer [1d\]: Ing rules count seki points
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;W[gd]C[DavidB [4k\]: I doubt she is mad
beer [1d\]: as fractions
ekku [-\]: thing-changing move!
krakengo [1d\]: !!
gojustingo [9k\]: when is the championship game schedualed??
krakengo [1d\]: G16 !
justme8800 [?\]: friday
kgs1d [1k\]: b wants to get the left corner
gojustingo [9k\]: time?
TanGeng [1d?\]: basically this is goin to be a huge reduction
justme8800 [?\]: 7, I think
justme8800 [?\]: pst
gojustingo [9k\]: thx
henhen2nd [8k\]: still why wud it go to B?
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;B[mg]C[henhen2nd [8k\]: it shud auto go to white.
kgs1d [1k\]: kill the center W?
Hagalaz [4k\]: why
gojustingo [9k\]: it would auto go to white if the komi was 7
kishambo [4k\]: yay this one is cool
edlee [3k\]: henhen: think about it a bit more before flooding :)
krakengo [1d\]: aouch
USGO1 [-\]: white has 10 minutes left
kgs1d [1k\]: N13 is cool...
USGO1 [-\]: black has 38
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;W[ne]C[henhen2nd [8k\]: ok
henhen2nd [8k\]: thx USGO
gojustingo [9k\]: no byi yomi?
henhen2nd [8k\]: is this SD?
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;B[dc]C[gojustingo [9k\]: 10 min absolute?
francium87 [2k\]: white will resign soon
Hagalaz [4k\]: 5 30s byoomme
gojustingo [9k\]: ty
krakengo [1d\]: N13 is beauty
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
tosky [1k?\]: feels too early in the game for resign ^^
Hagalaz [4k\]: oh, sorry
francium87 [2k\]: not after the top left exchange thats about to happen
gre: f17?
TanGeng [1d?\]: that's pretty good compensation for a corner
aussiemate [7k\]: SE (which is infallible) says B ahead
kgs1d [1k\]: B N12, then W group dead?
tosky [1k?\]: sure it looks bad, but it's only been about 100 moves -definitely feels early for resign
francium87 [2k\]: f17 would be answered by h18 and f18
beer [1d\]: it's not uncommon in ama-pro games
Iam11k: SE is not counting, he realizes B is pro and automatically says b is winning by a random number of points
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;W[ec]
;B[eb]C[tosky [1k?\]: f17? doesn't look like the move to me
francium87 [2k\]: no its not
LEGAN [8k\]: nice w
francium87 [2k\]: aji favored black here
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;W[fb]
;B[fc]
;W[ed]
;B[gb]C[tosky [1k?\]: not sure whose book f17 would have been a natural move in ^^
beer [1d\]: W isn't really thinking about D18 now?
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;W[id]C[Hylebos [4k\]: Ouch.  Protect the kill or let black live in the corner.
tosky [1k?\]: not necessary for w life
Iam11k: w dead
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;B[ie]C[weak888 [1k\]: game is over
TanGeng [1d?\]: damn
francium87 [2k\]: see?
beer [1d\]: W is not dead
tosky [1k?\]: good move for w. exploiting both b problems
USGO1 [-\]: white has 5 minutes left; black has 37
zflyhorse [2k\]: big  trouble  for   w
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;W[hd]C[USGO1 [-\]: Eric sighed on that move.
krakengo [1d\]: no wonder
beer [1d\]: will play 2 stones soon?
towers [2k?\]: its over
weak888 [1k\]: b17
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;B[ni]C[francium87 [2k\]: if top left white lives. top right black wins. and white center still dead. so... would you resign?
dogbert [3d\]: slow cook
TanGeng [1d?\]: wow
krakengo [1d\]: this is pure for b
TanGeng [1d?\]: safe move
Over9k [5k\]: over
Over9k [5k\]: ...
krakengo [1d\]: the dragon did die
Iam11k: w dead
LEGAN [8k\]: m13
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;W[op]C[beer [1d\]: but it is small dragon
krakengo [1d\]: a black hoshi too :)
tosky [1k?\]: I think dragon was too hard to save even in w moved first
krakengo [1d\]: !!
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;B[oq]C[towers [2k?\]: w continues? cool :)
krakengo [1d\]: P4 !
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;W[np]
;B[mq]C[LEGAN [8k\]: i wall throug the center
LEGAN [8k\]: nice
LEGAN [8k\]: end far away
craig [4k\]: i guess w must have read somewhere you can't win by resigning
Iam11k: w preparing resign?
towers [2k?\]: w has so lost
Kirby [2k\]: I wonder if USGO1's laptop has a KGS sticker on it
TanGeng [1d?\]: hmm white will have to see if hre can exploit aji
USGO1 [-\]: :)
francium87 [2k\]: commentary on game 15 was restricted
USGO1 [-\]: it's regulation
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;W[ql]C[Kirby [2k\]: haha
SColbert [2d\]: i like how the korean pro ended the commentary
SColbert [2d\]: "no way to recover from here"
LEGAN [8k\]: really
LEGAN [8k\]: haha
Iam11k: sounds apocaliptic
beer [1d\]: maybe he'll find some ear-redding move ;)
Hylebos [4k\]: Or three ghosts.
Kirby [2k\]: the ear reddening move must involve doing something with the center stones
Iam11k: what's a ear-redding move?
Iam11k: an*
Hagios [4k\]: Three ghosts usually tends to be fatal for the other party, though, Hylebos. :P
LEGAN [8k\]: hahaha
Hylebos [4k\]: Go is war man.
Kirby [2k\]: it's a move so good that it makes the opponent's ears red
BattousaiX [-\]: it's the famous move used by Honinbo Shusaku in a game against Gennan Inseki 
NightFly [?\]: go is a board game..
NightFly [?\]: no more no less.
kishambo [4k\]: moves like L5 seem big, no?
BattousaiX [-\]: it was such a move that 
francium87 [2k\]: a famous move by shusaku that did like 4 or 5 different and helpful to black BIG moves in one single move
LEGAN [8k\]: about the red ear
LEGAN [8k\]: hahaha
aussiemate [7k\]: a game?
Hylebos [4k\]: So, D18 has little merit?
LEGAN [8k\]: i heard that once
BattousaiX [-\]: it turned it's opponent's ear red according to a doctor watching the game
BattousaiX [-\]: *his
cryptoz [-\]: D18 looks a good try to me
Kirby [2k\]: d18 is some points, but that's it
Kosai [2k\]: B+52 :)
francium87 [2k\]: d18, f19, c18, h18, j18, h19
Swordfish7 [5d\]: white will get no chance to play d18
goggle [11k\]: the life is life, isnt it ? so as go. there are many dramas
Iam11k: b is pro
beer [1d\]: WD18, but b has H18 after F19
Swordfish7 [5d\]: black will play it first
Iam11k: b can foresee 200 moves ahead, w can 20
Violet [2d\]: but W d18 sente
Violet [2d\]: capture 2 stones
Violet [2d\]: unless B giv all to him
Shana [3d\]: i can forsee... a ladder
Kirby [2k\]: sure, it's not terrible
Hylebos [4k\]: A ladder you say?
krakengo [1d\]: b B17, w ??
kishambo [4k\]: l5 not good?
Hylebos [4k\]: With such a crowded board it would be rather short lived.
ieatdans [4k\]: i can forsee my nose
krakengo [1d\]: nothing
weak888 [1k\]: q9
aussiemate [7k\]: that bump at r8 made my ears red
beer [1d\]: I can forsee a breakfast ^_^
Iam11k: dan-eater: funny
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;B[pl]C[Kirby [2k\]: i wonder if it was a cold day when shusaku played the ear-reddening move
Hylebos [4k\]: Aussiemate, the spike at P8 is much worse.
Swordfish7 [5d\]: white living on this side is bigger then black responding to d18
Hylebos [4k\]: White will have to dive into the sand to save the ball this time.
Swordfish7 [5d\]: as soon as white lives he plays b17
Iam11k: algum brasileiro nessa budega?
krakengo [1d\]: yes
Swordfish7 [5d\]: then white has no eyes so he must go back in the end to capture n18
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;W[pm]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: which would make that territory VERY small
krakengo [1d\]: which is unbearable
Kirby [2k\]: was Eric Lui the pianist?
LEGAN [8k\]: the same
Iam11k: Eric is qsef
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;B[qm]
;W[rl]
;B[rm]C[krakengo [1d\]: she is not going easy on w
Hylebos [4k\]: Eric Lui is about one fourth of all the highdan on the server...
mentat [3k?\]: sim, iam
beer [1d\]: Now even Lee ChangHo trick doesn't help to W
francium87 [2k\]: its cause she feels he should resign
Iam11k: mentat
Kirby [2k\]: what is the lee changho trick?  good yose?
mentat [3k?\]: entra na sala brasil-portugal
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;W[pk]
;B[ol]C[beer [1d\]: when asked about so many won half-pointers, Lee answered...
mentat [3k?\]: q tem bastante brasileiros la
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;W[rk]
;B[ro]C[USGO1 [-\]: slammed
krakengo [1d\]: counter hane is no trick and not trademark of Yi either
USGO1 [-\]: that last stone
Violet [2d\]: resign
USGO1 [-\]: white has 1 minute left
beer [1d\]: I keep only ONE black and ONE white stone in my pocket
USGO1 [-\]: black has 31
Iam11k: não entro em sala onde tem português
goggle [11k\]: but lee sedle does lol
Hagios [4k\]: I think I would slam that last stone too...
francium87 [2k\]: the quad hane is my patent move
krakengo [1d\]: ah the slamming
kgs1d [1k\]: B has the whole center........
mentat [3k?\]: problema seu adi
mentat [3k?\]: dai
francium87 [2k\]: it learns them whos boss
Iam11k: tem muitos portugueses na sala
Iam11k: ?
USGO1 [-\]: white is in byo yomi
USGO1 [-\]: 5 periods of 1 minute each
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;W[pn]C[mentat [3k?\]: nao
mentat [3k?\]: bem poucos
kgs1d [1k\]: can't imagine in a game the player can have almost the whole center...
Iam11k: melhor assim
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;B[qn]C[Kirby [2k\]: byo yomi is always stressful
Lever [12k\]: the whole center plus two corners is even better :)
Iam11k: tô zoando
Iam11k: nada contra os lusitanos
copacetik [1k\]: second corner isn't his yet
Hylebos [4k\]: kgs1d, try watching some 30k games.
Iam11k: :-)
krakengo [1d\]: w's cause didn't advance here
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;W[oi]C[Hylebos [4k\]: Happens all the time :)
kgs1d [1k\]: now, B has the whole center + two corners...
Violet [2d\]: no
Violet [2d\]: one and a half
henhen2nd [8k\]: w.e
copacetik [1k\]: yeah
henhen2nd [8k\]: still large.
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;B[oj]
;W[pj]
;B[ok]C[copacetik [1k\]: black wins is what it comes down to
]
;W[qj]C[Kirby [2k\]: if only Eric had some snackfood, he'd make a comeback
Violet [2d\]: W should o12 1st
krakengo [1d\]: nice symmetry
krakengo [1d\]: N13 the key stone
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;B[jp]
;W[kq]
;B[kp]C[goggle [11k\]: then Feng eats spinach > Kirby
Violet [2d\]: wah
kgs1d [1k\]: over
Violet [2d\]: W is no hope
towers [2k?\]: been over since O11
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;W[en]C[Shana [3d\]: w is pwned
Iam11k: W can start at K7
]
;B[fo]C[weak888 [1k\]: big center
warzone [7d\]: w soon res  i guess
TanGeng [1d?\]: that center is half the board
jawnaw2000 [9k\]: how can you someone is pwned when you're watching from the sidelines? Dudes cut the guy a break. He's going up against a 9p
kgs1d [1k\]: 9p is so powerful....
jawnaw2000 [9k\]: say*
zflyhorse [2k\]: too late  for  w   go  e6
Violet [2d\]: fighting spirit 
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;W[db]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: careful
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;B[bq]C[Hylebos [4k\]: Jawnaw, this is kibitz.
kgs1d [1k\]: Pianist is very powerful in KGS, and got beaten like this......
krakengo [1d\]: yeah
Hylebos [4k\]: We say things like this all of the time.
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;W[lq]
;B[lp]C[jawnaw2000 [9k\]: you can't be respectful in kinitz?
]
;W[mr]
;B[nq]C[setake [10k\]: all center b territory?
krakengo [1d\]: ah
Iam11k: undo????
krakengo [1d\]: :)
setake [10k\]: can w invade?
kgs1d [1k\]: slippy
towers [2k?\]: center?
Iam11k: b asked for undo???????????????
towers [2k?\]: no way
Iam11k: hehehehehe
kgs1d [1k\]: or undo?
Lever [12k\]: surely just a transcription error
xlightx [7k\]: there is no undo
copacetik [1k\]: misclick by usgo1 I imagine
warzone [7d\]: no undo it was miis click here
xlightx [7k\]: it was a mislick
Iam11k: pulling your leg
USGO1 [-\]: you imagine correctly
xlightx [7k\]: by uso1
craig [4k\]: undo by b i'm sure
krakengo [1d\]: i hope no undo even in Ing rules :)
Kosai [2k\]: W E19?
LEGAN [8k\]: joke by us go 1
LEGAN [8k\]: haha
LEGAN [8k\]: funny one
Hylebos [4k\]: Oh right, these are ing rules.
Hylebos [4k\]: >.<
kgs1d [1k\]: undo or misclick? USGO1
USGO1 [-\]: white now has 4 periods left
craig [4k\]: it raise a few eyebrows
USGO1 [-\]: black has 59 minutes
Iam11k: you have 1 undo per game
krakengo [1d\]: man
USGO1 [-\]: er, 29
Iam11k: by regulation
dima [2d\]: actually, I imagine Ing could include undo with a point fine if he felt like it
Kosai [2k\]: .. not so much.
TanGeng [1d?\]: wow that m7 area is large
copacetik [1k\]: I just don't like the ing stones
setake [10k\]: b wins
USGO1 [-\]: white now has 3 periods left
kgs1d [1k\]: big wins
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;W[ea]C[krakengo [1d\]: Ing is great but those rules (and stones) not that much
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;B[cr]C[Hipcio [4d?\]: stones are fine
copacetik [1k\]: now white has two corners
beer [1d\]: Now, byo-yomi will save Feng Yun... 
beer [1d\]: ...from further bothering
krakengo [1d\]: mmmh
krakengo [1d\]: b is too huge
krakengo [1d\]: stop it now
Iam11k: D2 then resign
kgs1d [1k\]: how can Eric allow B to circle such a huge center???
krakengo [1d\]: he didn't allow
Kirby [2k\]: by dying
krakengo [1d\]: he helped
copacetik [1k\]: it's not getting beat by a 9p tha's bad, it's not being man enough to resign
Iam11k: he didnt allow he was forced
LEGAN [8k\]: he must have some idea in the head
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;W[sm]C[craig [4k\]: w not going to lose often when scoreing 110 points...
TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah eric helped
Rakeliem [1k\]: he got the whole top side and right side
USGO1 [-\]: white is down to 2 periods; played that last stone at 61 seconds
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;B[rn]C[Hylebos [4k\]: SE says white wins.
NightFly [?\]: w ahead??
warzone [7d\]: b is lead be 15 points 
Hagios [4k\]: Why s6 instead of q5?
goggle [11k\]: N13 was really cool
kgs1d [1k\]: I mean the center is way too much...
Kirby [2k\]: i wonder y he didnt resign
Violet [2d\]: o12 sente for btoh
beer [1d\]: ya, but SE dowsn't see N13 stone properly :)
Violet [2d\]: wondering why no one p[laying
copacetik [1k\]: SE should never be used except for entertainmentt purposes
USGO1 [-\]: white has resigned
jawnaw2000 [9k\]: Is there any way for M12 to connect?
LEGAN [8k\]: at least he wants to try one last play
LEGAN [8k\]: the divine one
kgs1d [1k\]: resign
USGO1 [-\]: Thank you all for watching.
Botryoidal [-\]: it seems to me that black leads by much more than 15
kgs1d [1k\]: great game for B
Iam11k: 9d pro monkey is H1
Violet [2d\]: txh
Toge [5k\]: Thanks USGO!
jawnaw2000 [9k\]: thanks usgo
Kirby [2k\]: top not small
Treziac [2k\]: thanks
krakengo [1d\]: thanks everyone in USGO staff
beer [1d\]: thanks for scribing USGO
kgs1d [1k\]: thanks, USGO1
Joven [?\]: Thank you USGO for escellent recording as always ^_^
USGO1 [-\]: you're welcome.
Hagios [4k\]: Thank you USGO!
LEGAN [8k\]: so he really resign already
LEGAN [8k\]: ?
USGO1 [-\]: Next round is on Thursday at 3pm PDT
goggle [11k\]: good job USGO thank you
Kosai [2k\]: thanks USGO
Kirby [2k\]: thx
krakengo [1d\]: great game to enjoy and learn from
Kosai [2k\]: how come some of the pro players get lots of byes?
calm [6k\]: USGO1, seems USGO2 vanished. How is Yilun Yang game going?
Iam11k: no H1 monkey? :-((
GoatCheese [3k\]: yang smashed him
zflyhorse [2k\]: thx  for  USGO
Iam11k: thx USGO
warzone [7d\]: this chinise pro dont play rally giv amrican players any chance
Kirby [2k\]: why should he?
Kosai [2k\]: H1 H2?
LEGAN [8k\]: yep
LEGAN [8k\]: he must hate american
warzone [7d\]: i mean its not rally fair to put 9 pro with AGA 8dan
Kirby [2k\]: oh
LEGAN [8k\]: like a good chinese sensei
LEGAN [8k\]: haha
Kosai [2k\]: warzone: then the Americans should get better :)
warzone [7d\]: i guess they are 
Kirby [2k\]: i heard that it's extremely rare to have americans that are good at yose
LEGAN [8k\]: i guess it hard 
Kosai [2k\]: yeah, there are some american amateurs who are 9D on KGS
Kosai [2k\]: that's a good start
LEGAN [8k\]: that guys play go since 3000 thousand years ago
LEGAN [8k\]: u got to try harder 
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